Finally got the SeeCamp 380 "bone test".......

[oldgranpa]

Late last year a discussion by several LEO's on another site led to the suggestion that perhaps the best "placement" to stop a villian would be COM (center of mass), armpit high. This would require the bullet to penetrate the sternum bone in order to reach the heart. We determined from calculations comparing the strength of the 1/8 to 1/4" thick sternum to good plywood, that a piece of 3/4" plywood could be used to approximately simulate the sternum for wetpack testing. We knew from previous tests by Box-O-Truth that 9mm and higher calibers would penetrate 3/4" plywood. But there was no data for lower calibers. We then set out to compare a few .380acp pistols with different barrel lengths. All lengths from 3.6" to 2.5" passed the "bone" test and results can be viewed at this site below.

Missing from our data was the SeeCamp LWS 380 with it's 2.1" barrel. The attached picture shows results of the simulated bone test and penetration into the wetpack during tests made today, April 27, 2007 by flyandscuba, Norfdet, and oldgranpa. We didn't test every round out there but this gives a pretty good idea that .380 ammo with the SeeCamp will pass the test and can be depended on for self defense aiming COM, armpit high. Entry holes in the "bone" at right.
Only Rem GoldenSabr 102gr expanded with less penetration than the others.

Shown at bottom is a .22magnum FMJ bullet from a NAA minimagnum revolver for comparison. (We did this as a sort of "calibration" for the bone test since in the first bone test .22mag penetrated.)

og

[flyandscuba]

In interesting observation from this test was the significant amount and depth of carry of "bone" fragments into the simulated wound channel.  I would expect similar results with actual bone -- thus serving as secondary wounding projectiles from a center chest shot in a self defense scenario.

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello and thanks.  This is most interesting.

Best.

[flyandscuba]

After seeing for myself the penetration resulting from OG's "micro" NAA mini in 22 WMR, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to get one from a private seller walking around at the local gunshow today.

[oldgranpa]

Good purchase. But be sure and use only FMJ ammo in the mini like CCI Maxi-Mag 40gr FMJ. See my "blog" just posted here on the .22magnum for more info.
og

Oh, BTW, fly, if you ever have to shoot at something while in the water, I suggest shaking the water out of the barrel before firing. However, if you have the chance, and dare to try it, maybe try shooting it under water. If you do please let us know, that is if you are still with us. I sure wouldn't try it.

[flyandscuba]

Shooting underwater (completely underwater) is no problem.  My 44 Magnum bang stick works just fine underwater...  Although you do not want you ear in line with the blast when it goes off!

I've made a mean mess out of an 8' 'Cuda that was interested in my stringer of fish during one dive.  It's not the projectile that does the damage (you could just as well use blanks) -- but the expanding gases that rips a hole in whatever is in contact...